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SSJ Future gohan vs mech frieza(100%)
Topic Started: Nov 15 2011, 08:40 PM (4,134 Views)
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Mirai Trunks
Nov 15 2011, 09:42 PM
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Nov 15 2011, 09:35 PM
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Nov 15 2011, 09:31 PM
Age 764 : Goku returns from his travels in space to defeat Frieza and King Cold

Age 766 : Goku dies of a Heart Virus.


Didn't he die 6 months before the androids invaded? Giving him 2 and a half years to train before he died?
Where did you see that? I can't find it in the timeline.
Apologies. Just realised that was a fabrication of my mind, it doesn't state when he died. Trunks' quote is kind of vague.

Now that I think about it, Goku probably fell ill and died around Age 765. ''Not Long'' could mean anything.
I do see something like that on the DB wiki, although I didn't stick around too long to remember exactly what. I did, however, find the four timelines explained on another reliable translation site.

http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-fourfutures.php

Goku apparently died after fighting Freeza and Cold, but it doesn't specify when exactly. The androids appear 3 years later. So I would take "not long after" to mean maybe 6 months at max, personally.
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Age 764 : Goku returns from his travels in space to defeat Frieza and King Cold

Age 766 : Goku dies of a Heart Virus.


Didn't he die 6 months before the androids invaded? Giving him 2 and a half years to train before he died?
Where did you see that? I can't find it in the timeline.
Apologies. Just realised that was a fabrication of my mind, it doesn't state when he died. Trunks' quote is kind of vague.

Now that I think about it, Goku probably fell ill and died around Age 765. ''Not Long'' could mean anything.
I do see something like that on the DB wiki, although I didn't stick around too long to remember exactly what. I did, however, find the four timelines explained on another reliable translation site.

http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-fourfutures.php

Goku apparently died after fighting Freeza and Cold, but it doesn't specify when exactly. The androids appear 3 years later. So I would take "not long after" to mean maybe 6 months at max, personally.
Awesome, thanks KP ^_^

That basically confirms that he died in Age 764. Depending on when in Age 764 he came back, it could be anywhere from 1-9 months imo. Though, now I agree, six months does seem like a good number to stand behind.
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I think Gohan can go half power and still kill Freiza. At least at the time of his death. when he lost his arm, he could still kill Freiza, but he'd need to use more than half power.
Edited by POOHEAD189, Nov 15 2011, 09:58 PM.
Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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Age 764 : Goku returns from his travels in space to defeat Frieza and King Cold

Age 766 : Goku dies of a Heart Virus.


Didn't he die 6 months before the androids invaded? Giving him 2 and a half years to train before he died?
Where did you see that? I can't find it in the timeline.
Apologies. Just realised that was a fabrication of my mind, it doesn't state when he died. Trunks' quote is kind of vague.

Now that I think about it, Goku probably fell ill and died around Age 765. ''Not Long'' could mean anything.
I do see something like that on the DB wiki, although I didn't stick around too long to remember exactly what. I did, however, find the four timelines explained on another reliable translation site.

http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-fourfutures.php

Goku apparently died after fighting Freeza and Cold, but it doesn't specify when exactly. The androids appear 3 years later. So I would take "not long after" to mean maybe 6 months at max, personally.
Awesome, thanks KP ^_^

That basically confirms that he died in Age 764. Depending on when in Age 764 he came back, it could be anywhere from 1-9 months imo. Though, now I agree, six months does seem like a good number to stand behind.
Well, according to the timeline in the daizenshuu, Mecha Freeza's scandal happens "sometime in August", so six months later would actually be in February of Age 765, which still fits with the link I gave, since it doesn't specify anything between 764 and 766. So yeah, I'd say 6 months, which I would give Goku another 20-40% increase personally.
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SSJ Future Trunks against Mecha Freeza > SSJ Future Gohan >> 14 year old SSJ Future Turnks

I personally thing Gohan takes out Mecha Freeza nearly as easily as SSJ Trunks did.
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Gohan with both arms, or the Gohan who thought he could beat A17 with one arm? I think either one wins, but the first one might havesome trouble. I have him very close to Yardrat Goku, but Frieza may damage him. The second Gohan, however, beats Frieza senseless , IMO.

Ranulf Numbers:
SSJ F Gohan: 200,000,000
Healed: ~300,000,000
40% 17 (reference): 240,000,000

Mecha Frieza: 155,000,000
at his final fight, sorry I forgot to mention it.
And wtf, gohan gets a 50% increase after one *****ing year? :o_O:
How strong u have future goku for gohan to be that powerfull? :o
Tien gets in increase of x8 in one year during the Saiyan Saga, and Goku x20. Piccolo goes from around 5,000,000 - 10,000,000 to 325,000,000. Gohan getting 50% in one year doesn't break with anything in my numbers.

In my most humble opinion, Gohan's quote was not refer to power as in powerlevel. Goku beat people faaaaaa~aaaarr more powerful than him (Raditz, Vegeta, Frieza), and Gohan was hoping he could do that. Goku was a great warrior who had the best endurance of any non Buu creature in the DB canon, in my opinion. However, as DBZ fans typically take every quote that mentions to characters to mean actual power, and not something else in the context of the story, I doubt a soul alive agrees with me.

I have SSJ Goku (Post Yardrat) at about 200,000,000. By the time of his death, I suppose 250,000,000 is fairly reasonable.

Also, I thought better about the entire scaling of power here: Gohan survived against both 17 and 18, so I've weakened them slightly to reflect this. This also allows me to lower healed Gohan, while still giving him a very large edge of both of them.

SSJ F Gohan: 200,000,000
Healed: 240,000,000
40% Android 17: 192,000,000
40% Android 18: 176,000,000

Yeah, I like this better... and Gohan still ruins Mecha Frieza and 100% Frieza both at once.
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Gohan with both arms, or the Gohan who thought he could beat A17 with one arm? I think either one wins, but the first one might havesome trouble. I have him very close to Yardrat Goku, but Frieza may damage him. The second Gohan, however, beats Frieza senseless , IMO.

Ranulf Numbers:
SSJ F Gohan: 200,000,000
Healed: ~300,000,000
40% 17 (reference): 240,000,000

Mecha Frieza: 155,000,000
at his final fight, sorry I forgot to mention it.
And wtf, gohan gets a 50% increase after one *****ing year? :o_O:
How strong u have future goku for gohan to be that powerfull? :o
Tien gets in increase of x8 in one year during the Saiyan Saga, and Goku x20. Piccolo goes from around 5,000,000 - 10,000,000 to 325,000,000. Gohan getting 50% in one year doesn't break with anything in my numbers.

In my most humble opinion, Gohan's quote was not refer to power as in powerlevel. Goku beat people faaaaaa~aaaarr more powerful than him (Raditz, Vegeta, Frieza), and Gohan was hoping he could do that. Goku was a great warrior who had the best endurance of any non Buu creature in the DB canon, in my opinion. However, as DBZ fans typically take every quote that mentions to characters to mean actual power, and not something else in the context of the story, I doubt a soul alive agrees with me.

I have SSJ Goku (Post Yardrat) at about 200,000,000. By the time of his death, I suppose 250,000,000 is fairly reasonable.

Also, I thought better about the entire scaling of power here: Gohan survived against both 17 and 18, so I've weakened them slightly to reflect this. This also allows me to lower healed Gohan, while still giving him a very large edge of both of them.

SSJ F Gohan: 200,000,000
Healed: 240,000,000
40% Android 17: 192,000,000
40% Android 18: 176,000,000

Yeah, I like this better... and Gohan still ruins Mecha Frieza and 100% Frieza both at once.
I don't personally believe that, because I think it would've been specified in some medium of the series, but there are those who do. I prefer not to debate it anymore, but that's how I feel.
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Gohan was confident in beating Android 17 who was using 40% of his own power so imo he is a monster before he dies. It's very possible that he was stronger than Post Yardrat Goku.
He stated he is weaker than post yardat goku at the day of his death, right before he went to him final fight.so this list is easy:
ssj Yardat goku > SSJ future gohan(post 1 year training) >=< mech frieza(100%) > future 17(under 50%) > SSJ future gohan(1st fight)
No he didn't. That's actually quite a common misconception. He said;

“I made it hoping it would make me as strong as dad was before he died… But I guess it’s not that easy.”

That is 3 years after Yardrat btw.

Future Goku (before dying)>Future Gohan(last appearance)>Goku (post Yardrat)>Future Gohan (before losing his arm)>/>Mecha Freeza imo.
like KP already explained..he did few months after returning to earth "not too long" cant mean more than that, ignore the TV special which isnt cannon.
How much stronger u think goku can get by living a few months without even knowing about the androids? I cant see being 10-15% stronger than his post-yardat self maximum.
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Future Gohan is weak sauce IMO but I see him barely beating mecha frieza
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